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	<title>Comments on: The orthodoxy of offence</title>
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		<title>By: Ngai Jihang</title>
		<link>http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/05/the-orthodoxy-of-offence/comment-page-1/#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ngai Jihang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author is correct in that there are two separate realms that are interacting: (1) the realm of personal identity and all the dignity/respect that that entails; and (2) the realm of history writing.  I think what the writer fails to bring out, though, is the importance of the first: that minorities in the U.S. desire to see images of themselves as dominant/central and thus dignified.  (This can be said of the working class, women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBT people, etc.)  Concomitantly, the author does not address why this (political) demand exists in the first place; instead, he simply seems to criticize what are otherwise prolific and respected authors/historians (I&#039;m not familiar with black history in the U.S., but a historian for Asians in the U.S. is Ronald Takaki).

The larger question the author should be addressing, however, is the delicate relationship between politics and history-writing in general.  Politics are not confined to identity politics, and so the task of accurate, evidence-based scholarship does not meet its difficulties solely among racial minorities in the U.S.

And anyhow, can we expect straight white males to regularly write the histories of lesbian black females as capable of diversity and action?  That is, if they even found such a perspective respectable and worth writing about.  Where there is work, there are errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author is correct in that there are two separate realms that are interacting: (1) the realm of personal identity and all the dignity/respect that that entails; and (2) the realm of history writing.  I think what the writer fails to bring out, though, is the importance of the first: that minorities in the U.S. desire to see images of themselves as dominant/central and thus dignified.  (This can be said of the working class, women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBT people, etc.)  Concomitantly, the author does not address why this (political) demand exists in the first place; instead, he simply seems to criticize what are otherwise prolific and respected authors/historians (I&#8217;m not familiar with black history in the U.S., but a historian for Asians in the U.S. is Ronald Takaki).</p>
<p>The larger question the author should be addressing, however, is the delicate relationship between politics and history-writing in general.  Politics are not confined to identity politics, and so the task of accurate, evidence-based scholarship does not meet its difficulties solely among racial minorities in the U.S.</p>
<p>And anyhow, can we expect straight white males to regularly write the histories of lesbian black females as capable of diversity and action?  That is, if they even found such a perspective respectable and worth writing about.  Where there is work, there are errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefkowitz taught at Wellesley College, not Wesleyan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefkowitz taught at Wellesley College, not Wesleyan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 12:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The urge to reclaim your own damaged history&quot;

This is where I am lost with regard to the argument. If the accepted history is loaded with inaccuracies and omissions, then how does one go about producing this &quot;true history&quot; to either bind into the &#039;mainstream&#039; history or to form an alternative history, etc.

The problem seems to be in regarding there being such a thing as a &quot;true history&quot;. To me, that&#039;s like adding &#039;true things&#039; to a fairytale, you will never make the fairytale true no matter what. All that can be added are more inaccuracies and omissions, as each history of suffering is sure to run into the vexed issue of who they in turn have made to suffer.

Also, surely suffering entails the destruction of history, culture, etc, so many times, what is being advocated is that the history of history being destroyed is acknowledged. That seems more plausible, and often research and investigation can bring lost things to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The urge to reclaim your own damaged history&#8221;</p>
<p>This is where I am lost with regard to the argument. If the accepted history is loaded with inaccuracies and omissions, then how does one go about producing this &#8220;true history&#8221; to either bind into the &#8216;mainstream&#8217; history or to form an alternative history, etc.</p>
<p>The problem seems to be in regarding there being such a thing as a &#8220;true history&#8221;. To me, that&#8217;s like adding &#8216;true things&#8217; to a fairytale, you will never make the fairytale true no matter what. All that can be added are more inaccuracies and omissions, as each history of suffering is sure to run into the vexed issue of who they in turn have made to suffer.</p>
<p>Also, surely suffering entails the destruction of history, culture, etc, so many times, what is being advocated is that the history of history being destroyed is acknowledged. That seems more plausible, and often research and investigation can bring lost things to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael</title>
		<link>http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/05/the-orthodoxy-of-offence/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Feminist Press will publish a follow-up anthology to Some of us Are Brave, called Still Brave, this October. FYI!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Feminist Press will publish a follow-up anthology to Some of us Are Brave, called Still Brave, this October. FYI!</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMWW</title>
		<link>http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/05/the-orthodoxy-of-offence/comment-page-1/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an atheist, I take offence at your use of the phrase &quot;God forbid&quot;.

But I&#039;m still going to buy your book.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an atheist, I take offence at your use of the phrase &#8220;God forbid&#8221;.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m still going to buy your book.<br />
:)</p>
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